#5 SierraFlyMac Most of these old rods didn’t have any kind of line designation on them, and a lot of them tended to be in the 5 or 6 weight range. Thanks for the reply. Let me know how it works for you. I’m not sure who developed this procedure so I can’t give him/her the credit they deserve…it works quite well. If you take 10 different rods all labelled "9-weight," you'll probably find that the "real" ratings of … Weight. The lower the weight, the lighter the rod and the smaller the fish the rod can appropriately handle. Or, if it has a real fly rod grip and appears to be a real fly rod, then it could be that your rod has been altered at some time…like having one section break and turning a 3 piece rod into a 2 piece rod. A very stiff, fast-action fly rod casts well in this situation. Choosing your first fly rod is easier if you understand what the fly rod WEIGHT measurement is all about. is commonly used as a general description of a rod, the CCS uses the six terms, ERN / AA / WL / CCF / TP / and RP to more precisely and accurately describe that rod. Type of Water: In general, fly fishing line weights that are smaller in number from 0-3 are used in small streams and pond where fish are generally small and lightweight. In Sec. Still more reliable than shaking and guessing. Put a paper clip through the top of a small plastic bag and hang the paper clip and bag to the tip of the rod. On the other hand, if you want to fish for tarpon (large saltwater fish) then a 9 to 12 weight rod would be better. Mark the position of the tip … Thanks, Hi, I just found an 8 1/2 foot Montague bamboo rod at antique store. Pingback: Old split cane rod - modern fly lines - Fly Fishing Forums. The Common Cents database is only graphite rods I believe. For fun, I just measured my old Sage 389 SLT (8′ 9″ 3 wt) graphite rod on the method I’ve posted. I’m guessing that the calculation doesn’t know the composition and should work for any rod whether it be bamboo, glass or graphite. Am I missing something? Different rods have ridiculously varying amounts of power. Exact weights may vary due to exact composition of alloys, the purity of the materials and other factors. I ran the experiment above and the ratio is 14, which would be off the charts heavy. These attributes were found to be significant from a 1996 fly rod study conducted at Western Carolina University. There is no standard for the line weight of fly rods -- how a rod is listed is entirely up to the discretion of the rod manufacturer. Can I assume that it is indeed a fly fishing rod even though the reel position is not all the way back on the end/handle area? Fascinating bit of smart rule of thumb. That puts this rod example at about a 5 wt. Thanks. In this post, first we will discuss fly rod weight and then show you how to determine fly rod weight.Fly rods come in “weights”, and the range can be 1-15. Determining the Weight of a Fly Rod. Understanding fly rod balance, swing weight, deflection, and frequency can assist your decision in choosing a new fly rod. Sec. This is not how heavy the rod … Every fly rod is rated by a weight; this weight indicates what fly line should be used for that rod. You sure have piqued my curiosity. According to this method, this rod measured out between a 4 wt and a 5 wt rod. Clamp the rod grip to a table so that the rod is horizontal next to a wall. Or, you can try the procedure I’ve outlined in this post and it should get you in the ballpark. Many fly fishermen have been buying the same type of tapered leader for trout fishing for years and do not realize the reason why. I’ll bet you’ll find that a 5 wt line works very well. Several situations will eventually come up where changing leaders can unlock the key to a fish catching frenzy. This is a measure of the weight of the first 30′ of fly 1 Firmly fix rod in a horizontal position as for meas-uring ERN. Example:  Paper clip, bag, and coins collectively weighed 20 grams. If you take 10 different rods all labelled "9-weight," you'll probably find that the "real" ratings of … I use three basics: (1) The fly size, but the fly’s weight is also mixed in here as is the fly’s bulk. This scale runs from 1-14 (and, it should be noted, is occasionally added … The figure is 0 when the rod is just coming out. The Upper Williamson River at Yamsi Ranch, Oregon, Drifting the Salmon River near Stanley, Idaho, A big rainbow on the Upper Williamson River, Oregon, Old split cane rod - modern fly lines - Fly Fishing Forums, http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=75447&p=602873&hilit=montague+trolling+rods#p602873. The weight you choose for your rod depends on the type of fish that you are hoping to catch. Thanks for the comment. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. In any event, I’ve never tried the formula on such a short rod like you’re describing so I’m not sure how well it would apply. The lab results were compared with survey questionnaires of 20 top level casters. to the bag until the tip flexes down exactly 1/10 of the measured rod length: Above example 9.6″. 3 gives a "cook-book" recipe for measuring and calculating fly-rod swingweight. It looks line science is getting in the way to practicality. Slowly add small weights (coins, washers, nuts, etc.) I’ve always felt it is somewhere between a 3 wt and a 4 wt rod as it handles 4 wt lines very well also. It refers to the “weight class” of the rod. Check out the table below to help choose the correct weight rating for your fly rod. While it's generally true that both the weight of a fly line and size of the fly rod should be proportionate to the size of the fish you're after, more importantly, it must be The term “rod weight” is also popular among anglers. The other part that is confusing is the distance measured with the weight on the tip. Thanks for reaching out. While I’m not a huge collector of old bamboo rods, I can offer up a little advice on your Southbend 57. Thank you. So, if you are fishing for small brook trout in a remote mountain stream, then a 2 weight rod would be good. rod. If you’re looking for more info on your rod, I would encourage you to check out The Classic Fly Rod Forum (www.classicflyrodforum.com). Besides matching it with the rod and reel weight, selecting the right fly line weight depends on different factors. Here is a fly line wt chart that shows you the average grains of weight in the first 30 ft (or head of your line). Delicate small stream fishing will require a slow action, and fishing for the larger fish on larger rivers will call for a stiffer, fast-action fly rod. Your email address will not be published. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The term “rod weight” is also popular among anglers. Give it a try. When it comes down to it, the important thing is matching the right line to our bamboo rods to get the feel and action we’re looking for. 2. The distance measured is the vertical drop at the tip-top. Mark the position of the tip of the rod on the wall. So, it might not work that well with Graphite. This makes no sense at all when I tried to use it. A rod that loads fully with say, 1/4 ounce of weight, can find that 1/4 ounce in 30 feet of 4-weight line, or 20 feet of 5-weight line, or perhaps 45 feet of 3-weight line. 4) Divide the measured weight by adjusted rod length to get a grams/length ratio. If he came out with a 3.6 he should have a 8 or 9 weight line. Fly rod weights typically range from 2-14 weight (you might see weight noted as “wt”.) Yes, I’ve found that this technique isn’t always precise, but it usually get’s you to a good starting point. While 5 wt. Required fields are marked *. A simple number, for example “5 wt.,” can’t, However, the more numbers one has describing the intrinsic properties of a fly rod the more accurately one can describe that rod. So, they were faster action and generally heavier rods. This note is organized as follows. 101 inches, came out 4.5 wht. Fly Rod Action Explained. 2) Clamp the rod grip to a table so that the rod is horizontal next to a wall. Fly rods are sized according to the weight line they will use. Example:  96″/10=9.6. Whichever one does the best and feels right during casting would be demonstrate the correct line weight for the rod? Thus, the rule here is: Fly Line Weight = Fly Rod Weight = Fly Reel Weight (2) The conditions, more wind equals heavier weight rod/line. I’m curious if the above numbers reflect bamboo rods specifically. This is very similar to the Common Cents system (http://www.common-cents.info/). Sometimes you can “line-up” a fly rod with one heavier weight fly line. One of the Edwards tips indicates 4 wgt and the other 5. I would put at least a 7 wt. Thanks for sharing about the Common Cents system…I ran across it a few years also but never tried it. and Gene Edwards impregnated 3 pc 8-1/2′. Generally you can line up or down by one size, which is why a 5wt is the best universal size for a trout rod. “Fly rod weight” is a confusing term, because it has nothing to do with how much a fly fishing rod physically weighs. Determining the line weight of a bamboo fly rod. 2 we present a method to calculate realistic swingweight values for multi-piece fly-rods. It is important to match the two together. Thanks. Fly rod length. This method works perfectly. There is no standard for the line weight of fly rods -- how a rod is listed is entirely up to the discretion of the rod manufacturer. Orvis 7′ Battenkill, Wright and McGill 3 pc 8′, Once you know the weight of the line you can use a black sharpie and use and thin lines to distinguish the weight. line on my rod, and possibly and 8wt. Any looseness of support will result in an erroneous low CCF. Fly rods are rated by weight. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Different rods have ridiculously varying amounts of power. Typically, the weight of the rod is determined by the line weight that is paired with the rod. Fly Rod Size (Line Weight Size) Some anglers think the size of the fly rod should be determined solely by the size of the fish you plan on catching. I’ve seen a couple different versions of this method over the years but have never tried them until a couple weeks ago. Depress and quickly release the rod tip to start it … Let us look at them in detail. Thanks for sharing Dave. (3) The fish, as some fish due to either their size or their vigor demands a workhorse of a The lightest weight is 1 and the heaviest weight is 15. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. My understanding is that the Southbend rods with a two digit number designation were in their “Bass Action” series of rods. I ran it through this procedure and it came out a 1.6…so there you have it. If you’ve been trying to cast the rod with a typical trout line of about a 5 wt and not having much success, I would try it with a heavier line. How to Determine Fly Rod Weight Determining a fly rod weight. Mark down the measurement and then divide by 10. There are a lot of collectors who frequent the site and I’m sure they can provide you with more information. The calculator below calculates the mass of a solid rod made from a range of common materials. Just rebuilt a bamboo Montigue/Foothills, for my grandson. I strung it up with old sinking line and the response was terrific. With the reel position up from the end of the handle, I would guess you have one of them…something like this: http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=75447&p=602873&hilit=montague+trolling+rods#p602873. Jim, Your email address will not be published. “Fly rod weight” is a confusing term, because it has nothing to do with how much a fly fishing rod physically weighs. It’s an excellent condition! Any rod will cast any line, at some distance. Also, does anyone know how to determine the weight of the line? I suspect that your rod is probably about a 7 wt rod…probably heavier than what you would be looking for from a standard trout rod. To complicate things, plastic line manufactures aren’t all consistent with how they rate the weight of their lines so we just need to try a few to get the right match…as you, Mary Ann, and I have discussed often with our bamboo switch rods. In other words, measure from the very top of the grip (not the butt end, but the other end) to the skinny end of the rod. 1)  Accurately measure the distance from the rod tip to the front of the cork grip (not the entire rod length). Maybe the most practical solution to this question would be to stringing up a rod in question with various line weights 3, 4, 5 and casting it. light on several rods I tried. A fly rod is matched to a fly line weight. Your response is welcome. Trout fly rods of the same weight can have different actions. Match the ratio to the recommended line weight in the table below:  Example 20 grams/9.6″=2.1. My best guess….is that you have an old “boat rod” rather than a fly rod since it is only 5 wt long. In this post, first we will discuss fly rod weight and then show you how… How to Determine Fly Rod Weight Read More » The “trick” is the empirical database that reflects the amount of deflection to rod weight. This rod is about a 5 wt. Because fly lines are characterized by weight as opposed to breaking strength, fly rods are rated for casting a specific weight line. Standard Fly Line Weight Charts: AFFTA Approved Fly Line Weight Specifications Standard Fly Line Weight Charts give us parameters for specific fly line sizes. Again, Which action is best will depend on the type of fishing you plan on doing. Now i understand why the 4wt line i out on his reel didn’t cast well.. lol.. Thus, a 5-weight rod is designed for use with a 5-weight line, and a 8-weight rod is designed for use with an 8-weight line. Fly rods range from size 0 or 1 weight (which is the lightest rod) to about a 15 weight (which is the heaviest). 3) Remove the plastic bag, paper clip, and the weights you’ve added and weight everything on a gram scale. Measure the entire rod, minus the grip, in inches. Most likely it worked, so why change up a good thing. I found a very, very old 2-piece Heddon’s bamboo rod that is only 5ft long (total). Determine weight of X from the following chart and attach that weight* to the rod tip top. Before you do anything else, make sure you determine how you are going to fish. Divide that number by 10. IMHO the results read out about .5 wgt Hello Dave et al, Big flies, bulky flies or heavy flies might indicate going to a heavier rod. Any idea what such a short, stiff bamboo rod would be good for? I always questioned what weight my 2 bamboo Montague rods were. I suspect that these calculations would work with glass or graphite rods but I haven’t tried them on anything other than bamboo. It is used for many fly fishing things like line, rods, and reels. Is that the distance in vertical drop or is it along the curved line? A good friend and fellow bamboo rod builder (Skip Hosfield) sent this to me. I think you found a typo on a reply of mine….should have been 1.6 rather than 3.6….thanks for pointing that out. 5 and 6 weight. Knowing what you plan on fishing for allows you to choose the right fly line weight to use - which then determines what fly rod weight/fly reel weight to use. Say you fish small streams only, and have a 6wt rod, and never put more that 15 ft. of line in the air to load your rod,(flex your rod) on the backcast. I’ll let you know how it all turns out. Fly rod manufacturers determine the fly rod weight by the weight of the fly line that the rod is designed to cast by the average person. Dave thank you so much I got the 7 wt and It works awsome it’s casts beautifully your responce was greatly appreciated. Heavier fish will need a heavier more durable fly line; meanwhile, lighter fish can be caught using a lighter more flexible fly rod. I don’t believe that Heddon made any fly rods that short in length. Probably the best way to figure things out is to just try a few different lines and see what you like the best…and stay with that. I know you’ve posted these calculation steps to get the weight of a bamboo fly rod; but I am wondering if the same calculations can be used for other rod materials. The type of fly fishing determines the choice of a fly rod weight. 1. Thanks.. Great work getting that Montigue rod rebuilt. Match them up. Sounds like you have an interesting rod there. Do keep in mind that fly line weight varies with the length of line beyond the tip. Hi I’m Jake I’m sort of new to fly fishing I got into a couple years ago but anyway I’ve been trying to figure the line weight stuff and just can’t get the hang of it but anyway I was recently given a 9 ft 3 piece south bend bamboo fly rod I put som fly line I had and it just doesn’t cast well so can you tell me what weight line I should use its 9 ft 3 piece and the only markings on it are 9′ and and 57 I would greatly appreciate your help. I’m not a Montague expert by any means, but I know they made casting and trolling rods in addition to fly rods. Rods with heavy blanks will have higher MOI than rods with light blanks. .. and thank you for the info on calculating bamboo rod weights! The weight indicates the size of fishing line that matches the rod. Happily, recognizing that America has no love affair with the metric system, fly line manufacturers have adopted an easy to remember "scale" to help anglers quickly determine fly line weight. Even someone who left a reply that said he came out with a 3.6 so that confirmed his 4 weight line was confused. They have quite long grips and only a couple of guide on them. 3. One of the rods I build is a 7′ 9″ 3 wt medium-fast action rod. Most of the old bamboo boat rods I’ve seen have been one piece rods. The weight classification is often abbreviated as “wt”. I guess it is time to do some weighing and measuring. I am going to send this along to some other Rod Makers I know and get their input. It refers to the “weight class” of the rod. 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